Locked Down

Willum

Active Member
Hi
Glad all sorted in the end!!!! Now you have to do like the rest of us oldies!
Without realising what was going to happen,. We drove our motorhome back to UK to sell------ it sold very quick and we immediately booked a flight back to Portugal, then all hell let lose with flights etc!!!!!!
We are now self isolating on our off grid plot in central portugal-----we will have to go out for supplies occasionally--- and keep our internet topped up!!!! But rules about ANY travel are very strict!!!
We were humming and harring about taking out Portuguese residence, looks like it turned out to be a good move!!!!-----
- up to now---- very few cases in central Portugal, hope it stays that way!!!!! Plenty to do on our land and we are well away from anyone else----- except when getting supplies!!!!!!!!
I think your campsite guy is being VERY optimistic!!!!!!! We are preparing for the long haul!!!!!!
I think you're probably in quite a good place. I hope you can continue to maintain your isolation. Do you have a finca, or similar on the plot?
Sounds as if Portugal has got as tight as Spain - and all the better for it. They are still havering about restrictions on construction workers here. To my mind, if you are moving around and mixing with other people, you are potentially spreading it. Shouldn't be happening! At least they have just announced a 6 month moratorium on the MOT.
I spent a long time in the armed forces, most during the Cold War. We exercised Nuclear, Biological and Chemical Warfare operations in earnest. The way this is spreading and it's potential lethality, it's as deadly as a lot of the biological weapons.
The routines we went through to decontaminate ourselves, our clothing AND THE EQUIPMENT show me that very, very few are taking this anywhere near seriously enough.
We have (polite) notices on the doors and it still doesn't click with some. The Royal Mail is still hand delivering junk mail!.
Will
 

Digitalimager

New Member
Matters have more or less been taken out of our hands. More restrictions are being applied, the campsite is issuing indemnity waivers (sign it, or leave tomorrow) and has effectively washed its hands of any and all responsibility - probably being leaned on by their insurers, or lawyers. We can stay but - if we do, we are fully responsible for any and all expenses incurred if we get ill, medical included. I suspect it's a hand-washing exercise, so there's no comeback on them. I also suspect a bit of local government leaning so the tourists/winter travellers all get out and take a bit of pressure off their medical services. Our original feeling of safety has evaporated pretty quickly. All but one Brit, two locals, a guy from Luxembourg and an elderly Swedish bungalow dwelling couple will be gone by Tuesday - and some of those may well change their minds when they see the latest daily edict.
Pat's lung problem says we can't take the risk of being cut loose by the local medical services. She only normally needs an inhaler but this thing is such an unknown quantity that with the apparent vulnerability of older people with breathing impairment, we aren't risking it. We've decided on storing the camper where we are now and flying out Saturday late morning. Don't like the idea because I've absolutely NO idea when we'll be allowed/find it safe to came back and I can't help but feel sure that DVLA/Insurers/whatever will be bound to make a meal of it. MOT's due end of May, Insurance November.
Either way, I'll just have to find a way round it.
Roll on the Corona Virus immunisation jab:sweating:
Wish me luck.
Will
Jings, I feel for you guys. I, and my whippet, Zippee, have been very lucky enough to find someone, kind and generous enough, to allow us to park on their driveway to ride out this awful time. I really hope you guys arrive at a happy conclusion to all of this.
Good Luck
John and Zippee
 

Willum

Active Member
Two bits of good news:
First, you probably know there's a moratorium on the MOT - which might just see us clear as ours is due the end of May.
Next, our insurers have given us another 90 days European cover, starting from when the current one expires in late April. I had to get the agent (BG) to prod them (LV) a little to make it consecutive, rather than start from the day I told them about the problem. That would have only given us a 60 day extension. They still managed to relieve me of £80+ for the pleasure, though.
I have to say BG were very good and helpful. The young lady was working from home, on the ball and BG took no fee for their efforts. Thank you BG. Most impressed.
One other corporate act worthy of note:
When we faced being locked down in Spain for an indefinite period, I asked giffgaff if they were prepared to extend our 60 days roam-like-at-home allowance in view of us being 'locked down'. I got a very human response and quick, too. They said yes, they would and if I wanted more, they would organise sending out a new SIM to anyone who could use it briefly in the UK, then send it to me in Spain, so we could have yet another 60 days. Sometimes a crisis brings out the best in people and it was a great comfort to know we would have been able to talk to family and friends at 'home' without a worry.
Spain is using drones to enforce their lock down - but the death toll is hellish, approaching Italy's
Will
 

Willum

Active Member
Jings, I feel for you guys. I, and my whippet, Zippee, have been very lucky enough to find someone, kind and generous enough, to allow us to park on their driveway to ride out this awful time. I really hope you guys arrive at a happy conclusion to all of this.
Good Luck
John and Zippee
Ta, John (and Zippee) Glad you're in a safe place. I think there's actually an awful lot of kindly people out there - and it's heart warming when you see it.
Will
 

sundowners

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Staying put is a difficult decision to make!!----- first thing is we have no idea how long this will go on???!!
Another thing is insurances for you and your van----could prove very tricky if yours hadn't been extended!!
But to be honest I think the contamination risk in UK and the trip back are pretty high---- I think better stay put if you can do it in isolation as much as possible------- nice to have some hand gel, but we are using home distilled alcohol (aquadent here in Portugal!!). Couldn't find any gel in a quick trip to shops!!
 

Willum

Active Member
Staying put is a difficult decision to make!!----- first thing is we have no idea how long this will go on???!!
Another thing is insurances for you and your van----could prove very tricky if yours hadn't been extended!!
But to be honest I think the contamination risk in UK and the trip back are pretty high---- I think better stay put if you can do it in isolation as much as possible------- nice to have some hand gel, but we are using home distilled alcohol (aquadent here in Portugal!!). Couldn't find any gel in a quick trip to shops!!
Don't quote me on this, a bit of research will prove me right, or wrong, but:
I think alcohol (hand gel effective ingredient) is only really effective if over 60% proof - not sure about aquadent, but the little bottles of alcohol I remember seeing in all the Portuguese shops and supermarkets is about 98% from memory........ if there's any left on the shelves....................
The problem with high proof alcohol is it tends to cause cracking of the skin from local dehydration - giving the virus a route in.
The recommendations I've seen are for careful and vigorous hand washing with soap for at least 20 seconds, every time you touch anything that could potentially be contaminated (touched/coughed/sneezed on) by someone else outside your isolated group?) It was suggested you sang the 'Happy Birthday' song to yourself fully and twice through, as an aid to timing. I see there's also something starting to come out about using a 'mild' solution of good old bleach to sterilise surfaces. Trouble is , there's no specific indication of what they consider 'mild' to be.
Apologies if that was teaching Granny to suck eggs.
I'd be interested to hear what the Portuguese in general are making of it. Stay safe and all the best.
Will
 

sundowners

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Hi from my information, you are correct about the alcohol content-- I figure it's better than nothing!! have added a little skin moisturizer to try to protect the skin, but only a little as it dilutes the alcohol content!!! It stings small cuts so must still have a lot of alcohol in it!!!
I still prefer to drink it -- neat!!
The Portuguese in general are taking it all very seriously as far as we can see, but although extremely quiet people are trying to continue life as isolated as possible----- the couple that work the land next to us come to work their land most days, if they don't they will have no crop to feed their animals or themselves!! but we keep our distance!!! The local shepherd lady still walks her sheep the other side to feed on rapidly growing grass all around----- the still give us any spare veg etc and I helped her with a small problem with sheep yesterday---- so life is continuing but in a very strange way!!!
Stay safe everyone!!!!
 

Dunroamin

Well-Known Member
Hi from my information, you are correct about the alcohol content-- I figure it's better than nothing!! have added a little skin moisturizer to try to protect the skin, but only a little as it dilutes the alcohol content!!! It stings small cuts so must still have a lot of alcohol in it!!!
I still prefer to drink it -- neat!!
The Portuguese in general are taking it all very seriously as far as we can see, but although extremely quiet people are trying to continue life as isolated as possible----- the couple that work the land next to us come to work their land most days, if they don't they will have no crop to feed their animals or themselves!! but we keep our distance!!! The local shepherd lady still walks her sheep the other side to feed on rapidly growing grass all around----- the still give us any spare veg etc and I helped her with a small problem with sheep yesterday---- so life is continuing but in a very strange way!!!
Stay safe everyone!!!!
 

Dunroamin

Well-Known Member
We are sitting pretty on a 7 kilometer long beach in Greece. Two ghettos of Germans and 10 of us wide apart.Lidl 15ks and plenty of fresh water on tap
The Greeks have long since shut down all but petrol stations,chemists and grocery shops.You have to download a form to fill in if you move and fill it in with your reason,date and time plus address.We only have to go shopping every 2 weeks once with mobike and next with truck.Couldn't be a nicer place to be locked down.
 

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