180 day eu tourist visa

chrisjones18

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Today I sent this to my MP, most of it is copied , please feel free to alter parts and send to your own MP
My address is here
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Dear Mr Harper

I am writing to you now because the Government stated in April that it was pressing ahead with negotiations with the EU. This is urgent and any change in the negotiating position must be sorted out as a matter of priority before it is too late.

I am a motorhomer and am looking to buy a holiday home in Spain

Currently I am able to travel for extended periods in Europe without having to worry about how long I stay (within reason) respecting local residency rules but never staying more than 182 days in any one country in any year.

However, after the end of the transition period on 31/12/2020 the Europe-wide Schengen 90/180-day rule will come into force for UK citizens. The 90/180 rule is very constraining. The alternative of obtaining a visa is cumbersome, unpredictable and may be cost prohibitive due to the requirement for long-term health insurance. You cannot apply for a visa if you are already travelling outside the UK.

In extensive correspondence with the Government up to late 2019, ministers have acknowledged the needs of people who visit the EU extensively and consistently said that the issue of reciprocal travel mobility will be addressed in the future relationship.This appears to have changed.

On 19/02/2020 the government published a policy statement setting out a points based immigation system. It states “We expect to treat EU citizens as non-visa nationals meaning they can come to the UK as visitors for six months without the need to obtain a visa.” Travel arrangements are not on the agenda for UK-EU negotiations. The UK government has seemingly accepted that UK citizens will be subject to the Schengen 90/180-day rule. This is not a reciprocal arrangement.

Unless this Government position is altered immediately, then those of us who travel extensively will find our lifestyle radically changed.

The new Immigration Bill has been suspended. This provides an opportunity for the government to review its position on future travel arrangements. It is untenable that the government should be satisfied with unbalanced arrangements that have so many disadvantages for more than 500,000 UK citizens and their families.

In your role as my constituency MP, I am asking you to brief ministers of my concerns and support the proposal for 180 days of visa-free tourist travel in any rolling 360 days for UK citizens visiting the EU and for EU citizens visiting the UK.

The UK would simply be offering the same terms for EU citizens as they currently grant to those tourists travelling from countries such as Brazil, Japan and the United States.

This arrangement would satisfy the interests of travellers and second home owners, offer the EU reciprocity and uphold UK aspirations to control its borders.

Yours sincerely
Christopher Jones
 

BigMomma

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Unfortunately Chris, as I do not own a property in the U.K. and am not on the Electoral Role for the address I use as my official contact address, I do not have a local MP. Not sure how many are in a similar position ?
 

chrisjones18

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I dont own one either but I am on the electoral role.
180 looks a nice figure to me
 

BigMomma

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The direction the talks are headed in, don’t expect anything, let’s just get it over and done with. This time it is the EU that are stalling, they want us to extend so that we continue to pay into the EU budget which includes footing the bill for the aid they are giving to the 27 Countries in the EU in relation to the Coronavirus, which remember we are no longer part of and have not received any financial aid from them. We will just adapt to the 2 x 90 day periods over time and it will become the new normal, it will however impact on the number of British expats who have been living in EU countries without having taken up ‘official’ residency, for which there are a large number. And let’s not forget that some of them even voted to ‘Leave’ !!
 

Dunroamin

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Not been in Uk for 5 years.And not likely to return.Does that mean I am up poopoo river after Dec 31st?
 

BigMomma

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Not been in Uk for 5 years.And not likely to return.Does that mean I am up poopoo river after Dec 31st?
I thought that you had also had German residency ? However, as their are no internal land borders and you do not need to return to the UK, cannot see you having any issues myself, but I guess you already knew that ;)
 

chrisjones18

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Not been in Uk for 5 years.And not likely to return.Does that mean I am up poopoo river after Dec 31st?
Dunno, you tell us.
The idiots running the uk have no idea.:banghead:
 

Dunroamin

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I could apply for a German passport but who wants to be a German? But BM is right im already here.No worries.
 

BigMomma

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I also think that those who stuck it out and stayed in lockdown in Europe did the right thing, as internally they are lifting the lockdown and allowing places to open, I know where I would rather be right now :rolleyes:
 

sundowners

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I suppose that we will be restricted to 180/90 days in UK!!??? A week a year is probably more than we would ever want in UK!!!!! Our new vintage transit/Karmann motorhome ( if the sale goes through!!) will be great for occasionally nipping to UK for shopping trips and visiting family there------ but there is still lots of Portugal we have yet to explore!!!
 

chrisjones18

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So some news from Spain
EHIC from 1 January 2021
You’ll still be able to access healthcare using a UK-issued EHIC for visits to Spain that begin from 1 January 2021 if you’re either:
  • a UK State Pensioner living in the EU before the end of 2020
  • a UK student studying in the EU before the end of 2020 until your course finishes
  • a ‘frontier worker’ (someone who works in one state and lives in another) before the end of 2020, for as long as you continue to be a frontier worker in the host state
  • an EU national living in the UK before the end of 2020
 

chrisjones18

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Looks like Portugal might be 180 days, in a Portuguese newspaper this week
2616
 

BigMomma

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This is all well and good if you own a holiday home and fly directly in and out of Portugal but cannot see how this will work for Motorhomers who have to enter and depart via France or Spain.
 

chrisjones18

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I sort of read like
180 in Europe but at least 90 must be in Portugal, though I guess Portugal would have to stamp passport in and out.
But I ain't sure I am looking at it correctly
 

Dunroamin

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Looking good for us at the moment we are on an enormous,2 kilometer by 2 kilometer private area 2 cottages.In the late 60s a sex and drugs and r and r free campsite. Just us and a German woman on her way home from Mongolia.Water from the well and the police cant say boo. The owners are Germans in Athens and happy for housesitters.
 

BigMomma

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I sort of read like
180 in Europe but at least 90 must be in Portugal, though I guess Portugal would have to stamp passport in and out.
But I ain't sure I am looking at it correctly
I think how I read the article, Portugal were going to operate a system like the UK have, foreign tourists can take 180 consecutive days in any one year in ‘their’ Country. The same complication would happen as I started earlier, unless you arrive directly into Portugal. So when you enter EU from UK, (France, Spain, Belgium, Netherlands) your 90 day clock starts ticking, there are no formal border crossing points in/out of Portugal so who would stamp your passport to say you were leaving Spain and entering Portugal ? So when you do come to leave via the Ports at Spain/France they only have the date you first arrived in the EU. I believe the article about the 180 days was aimed at those who own a holiday home and who perhaps would fly, rather than drive, into the Country, unless of course Portugal and Spain have come to some sort of agreement :think: But I have not seen anything in any of the Spanish Media publications about this.
 

Willum

Active Member
I think it will be, sadly, exactly as Bigmomma says. Logged in at port of entry, clock running from there on. The only hope will be to fly in - or hop off the Morocco ferry in Lisbon, if it ever gets going. I live in hope that Spain will offer the Golden Visa option as well and I did see (probably only rumour status) something somewhere that said they might do it. There are an awful lot of Brits with property in Spain, Portugal and France. My cynicism say that since the Spanish don't have the most enviable record when it comes to treating them fairly, if they shove the Brits out it improves the housing market for the Spanish national - and local government officials are notoriously corrupt, the Portuguese are much better and understand what the Brits bring (money to spend), the French will do anything to be difficult (note it's now the 'British' Covid variant that is the cause of all their woes and another Lockdown, not their failed vaccine programme) 'cos they hate us even more than we hate them.
 

chrisjones18

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There's been talk about stamping passports when entering France,
The French government say they don't care if a UK citizen with French residency and UK passport has their passport stamped or not. It's to do with some eu rights by some law or other. https://bit.ly/38dVA2S
Some people entering France get a stamp and others don't, even the officials don't have a clue.

I guess it will all get sorted at some point. Doubt it will bother us this year.

William, we have family that own/rent property and pay taxes in Spain that have no idea whats going on.
 

vwalan

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its on computers when you enter eu . or leave .
have seen it on screen at the ports in spain , goes back years when we entered or left eu.
mind morocco also have similar ,they can go back years as well . and comment when you change vehicles etc .
it was part of the ferrry companies having control to help out.
mind for years a spanish police could know when and where you entered or left eu if they stopped you on the road.
modern life .
beam me up scotty.
but where to i dont know.
 

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